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Talk:Hanja

2010-06-27T10:02:56Z

Rosin: /* details and concerns */

hello guys. Are you interested in a tab-delimited well this

hanja tab definitions
hanja tab definitions

grouped by the levels of the 한자능력시험.

Please advise me on where to upload these files. I have no wiki experience.

thanks,

joe

:I'm not sure exactly what you mean by hanja tab definitions. Could you explain or link me? Thanks --[[User:Bluesoju|Bluesoju]] 09:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the main page. Next, I will add individual pages for each hanja (one hanja, one page) and provide 15, 20 examples of words for each hanja from kengdic/engdic entries which i have edited over the last 5 years.

you have some pages like http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/index.php?title=%E9%96%80#.E9.96.80

the above is for all the hanja which go by 문

Can somebody tell me where the master list is for pages like the above so that i can add my hanja to the list, and create pages for which you have had no hanja and so the page is missing? i will soon give you my list of readings and hanja for those readings.

thanks, joe January 26, 2010 kst morning

Hey Joe, no need to add individual pages for each Hanja, most have already been made, see these two categories:
*[[:Category:Chinese_Roots|Find by Korean character]]
*[[:Category:Hanja|Find by Chinese character]]

Right now the pages all go by the Korean names. If you search by the individual hanja character (i.e. 文) it will redirect to the particular section. For example, if you go to the page [[文]] it would look like this:
<pre><nowiki>
#REDIRECT [[문#文]]
[[Category:Hanja|ㅁ]]
</nowiki>
</pre>
*That means redirect to the page 문 under the section "文"
*Then put in the category "Hanja" and sort it under ㅁ. If you don't manually sort it, it will just try to sort it by the Chinese character which is pointless since it's not an alphabetical system like English or Korean.
*All the stuff you need is on the toolbar itself, the button that has #R is to make a redirect, and the button after is to make a category.
*Also hit the preview button before saving, it would help you from making too many saves on the same page.

It's great you found the Hanja by levels. We'll just have to reformat them. Thanks ^^

===details and concerns===
*Template would be made to make this easier to copy.
*Other things to consider: number of strokes
*Sometimes additional info is needed, like 여 is also 녀. Where to put that?
*Stroke order image or link to a stroke order imagine on wikimedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Stroke_Order_Project
*Just noticed a separate Korean names section, should the common hanja used in names just be linked to that page? The names page would have to be updated with Hanja.

== About Redesign ==
I can say the new template looks sweet. Especially the Korean characters are big and, I think it's the jpeg or gif, is beautiful. You probably know that I added recently to the HANJA main page the "lists by level" and that these contain the Korean definitions, with explanations of the Korean contained in them. Perhaps I'm fanning myself here, but I do know your hanja pages lack the Korean definitions of the hanja, so I think adding my contribution would enhance the quality of the hanja pages.

Secondly, I hope you have a programmer on site here who can just do that programmatically and create the pages for you from putting my hanja lists in a database table, querying the table, and processing results with some programming language he/she is familiar with .... because it would take a heckuva long time to individually change the pages. Many hanja have 2, 3 or more korean definitions and sometimes different readings, for example. What can you do in these cases? Unfortunately, I don't know squat about how a wiki really works and don't have the time myself. I know, I know .... "if you want something done do it yourself" but just upkeeping my site is enough work for me.

Thirdly, I can also hope that you are not typing in the example words by hand. You do know I have a dictionary for download which the same programmer I just mentioned could save your time (digital soju님).

Anyway, new design looks sweet, but it would pain me to hear that somebody is manually doing all this work.

the problem, of course, is that contrary to your opinion you do *not* have almost all the hanja pages created in your system (see level 3, level 2, and level 1 hanja). When you do it by hand, you run into a limit, but if you programmatically do the same task, you can create the complete reference you are seeking to with this site.

Good luck, as always.

Joseph a.k.a. Joe

==Same characters==
List of characters that are the same.
-暴 포, 폭

==Multiple representations==
*계산기 <[[計]][[算]][[器]] / [[計]][[算]][[機]]> - a calculator
*편지 <便紙> <片紙>
*참호전 <[[塹]][[壕]][[戰]]/[[塹]][[濠]][[戰]]> - trench warfare

혼

2010-06-27T09:53:46Z

Rosin: /* 魂 */

{{stub}}
==混==
Meaning:
*
==婚==
Meaning:
*
==魂==
Meaning:
*Soul, Spirit especially of the deceased

==昏==
Meaning:
*
==渾==
Meaning:
*
==琿==
Meaning:
*

[[Category:Chinese Roots]]

Hanja

2010-06-27T09:24:44Z

Rosin: /* How do I type a Hanja character? */

{{Notice|Under construction}}
'''Hanja''' is the Korean name for '''Chinese characters'''. More specifically, it refers to those Chinese characters borrowed from Chinese and incorporated into the Korean language with Korean pronunciation. ''Hanja-mal'' or ''hanja-eo'' refers to words which can be written with hanja, and ''hanmun'' 한문, 漢文 refers to Classical Chinese writing, although "hanja" is sometimes used loosely to encompass these other concepts. Because hanja never underwent major reform, they are almost entirely identical to traditional Chinese and ''kyūjitai'' characters. Only a small number of hanja characters are modified or unique to Korean. By contrast, many of the Chinese characters currently in use in Japan (''kanji'') and Mainland China have been simplified, and contain fewer strokes than the corresponding hanja characters.

*[[Hanja (article)]]

==Hanja Lessons==
*[[Important 한자]]
*[[Important 한자 2]]
*[[Important 한자 3]]
*[[Cheonjamun]] "Thousand Character Classic"
*[[Writing Hanja]]

*Beginners 한자
*Intermediate 한자
*Advanced 한자

==Hanja By Level ==
With English interpretation of Korean meanings, and supplemental meanings. (needs to be reformatted)
*[[Level 8]] 51 baby hanja, learned in first grade.
*[[Level 7]] 102 elementary school
*[[Level 6]] 142 elementary school
*[[Level 5]] 184 elementary school
*[[Level 4I]] 313 getting harder
*[[Level 4II]] 232 getting harder
*[[Level 3II]] 357 middle/high school
*[[Level 3I]] 414 middle/high school
*[[Level 2]] 539 college, scholarly
*[[Level 1]] 1151 college, scholarly++
*[[Level 0]] 4000+ off the test

==Hanja characters==
*[[:Category:Chinese_Roots|Find by Korean character]]
*[[:Category:Hanja|Find by Chinese character]]

==Misc==
===Common Hanja used in names===
{| class="wikitable" border="1"
|-
! Surnames
! Hangeul/한글
! Hanja/한자
|-
| Kim
| 김
| 金
|-
| Park
| 박
| 朴
|-
| Lee
| 이
| 李
|-
| Jung
| 정
| 鄭/丁
|}

{| class="wikitable" border="1"
|-
! Given Names
! Hangeul/한글
! Hanja/한자
|-
| Kyong
| 경
| 景
|-
| Rim/Lim
| 림
| 琳
|-
| Myung
| 명
| 明
|-
| Mi
| 미
| 美
|-
| Hyung
| 형
| 炯/亨
|}

==FAQ==
===What is the point in learning Hanja?===
A great deal of Korean words are made up of hanja. Learning the hanja will allow you to memorize the words faster. It's like knowing Latin root words in English. Knowing the root of a word can help you understand its meaning and remember it later. This will also serve you well in other countries. If your visual memory is strong, the hanja you learn in Korea can be found (with some differences) in Japan, China and Taiwan. Thus even a limited grasp of hanja is useful when traveling in Asia. For example, numbers for dates, times and prices.

There are also a lot of hanja the average person is expected to know, for example man (男) and woman (女), so a door might be labeled with the hanja characters on a rest room door. This would be a good time to know hanja so you don't walk into the wrong bathroom! For real life images of hanja in use, see: [[:Category:Hanja images]]

===Does every Hanja character have only one sound representation?===
No, some Hanja characters have more than one representation.

In some cases the pronunciation depends on where it appears in a word. For example the character [[年]](year) is pronounced as 연 if it appears at the beginning of the word, and 년 if it appears elsewhere. See the table below


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Character !! Korean representation !! Notes !! Examples
|-
|年 (year) ||연, 년 || Pronounced 연 at the beginning of a word, 년 elsewhere
|
*연초 <年初> - the beginning of the year
*연말 <年末> - the end of the year
*작년 <昨年> - last year
*내년 <來年> - next year
|-
|立 (stand, establish )||입, 립 || Pronounced 입 at the beginning of a word, 립 elsewhere
|
*입식 <立式> -
*독립 <獨立> - independence
*조립 <組立> - construction, set-up

|-
|女 (girl, woman)||여, 녀 || Pronounced 여 at the beginning of a word, 녀 elsewhere
|
*여자 <女子> - woman, female
*여학생 <女學生> - a female student
*소녀 <少女> - a young girl
*미녀 <美女> - a beautiful girl
|-
|不 (negation) ||불, 부 || No rule, some words just use one or the other
|
*부정 <不正> - unlawfulness, dishonesty
*부득이 <不得已> - unavoidably, inevitably
*불편 <不便> - discomfort
*불가능 < 不可能 > - impossibility
|}


===How do I find a certain character in a dictionary?===
Depending on dictionary, there are a number of ways to look up a character in a dictionary, especially electronic ones. They can sometimes be found in the 국어(Language) menu.
 

'''Normal look up (한글->한자)'''
 
Probably the easiest way to find one in daily use in Korea. This type of look up is for Sino-Korean vocabulary (words of Chinese origin). For example, to see which characters make up the word 무한 (無限), just type in the words as you would in a normal Korean vocabulary look up and the characters should appear next to the Korean word. Some electric dictionaries will have separate look up, one for normal Korean usage, and one that will break down each character and will give meanings for each character.
 

'''By Pronunciation/음 (한글->한자)'''
 
Type in the pronunciation, for example 무, and anywhere from 10 to 60 different characters will be shown that has that pronunciation. Although a clear demonstration as to the need for Hanja for clarification, this is a fairly tedious way to find characters.
 

'''By Stroke/획수 (한자->한글)'''
 
For many simple characters and beginners, it is easiest to count the number of strokes and putting that number in. "총획수" indicates that the number of strokes you put in is the number of strokes for the entire character.
 

'''By Radical/부수 (한자->한글)'''
 
For more complex characters and those familiar with Hanja, it is easiest to look up by number of strokes in the radical (부수획수). Correctly identify the number of strokes in the radical and type that in. Then type the number of strokes in the rest of the character (잔여획수).

===In what order are the strokes for a character?===

===How do I type a Hanja character?===
====For Windows====
Type in the Korean 한글 equivalent of the word you want the Hanja for. While the the character is still "active" (meaning you can still see the line underneath the character), click the [漢] icon (in the language toolbar) and a small menu of the all the possible Hanja characters should pop up. Type the designated number or click the desired character and it should replace the Korean with Hanja. Alternatively, you can click on the bucket icon to draw the Hanja you want.

Hanja

2010-06-27T09:19:09Z

Rosin: /* Misc */

Hanja

2010-06-27T08:54:19Z

Rosin: /* How do I find a certain character in a dictionary? */

{{Notice|Under construction}}
'''Hanja''' is the Korean name for '''Chinese characters'''. More specifically, it refers to those Chinese characters borrowed from Chinese and incorporated into the Korean language with Korean pronunciation. ''Hanja-mal'' or ''hanja-eo'' refers to words which can be written with hanja, and ''hanmun'' 한문, 漢文 refers to Classical Chinese writing, although "hanja" is sometimes used loosely to encompass these other concepts. Because hanja never underwent major reform, they are almost entirely identical to traditional Chinese and ''kyūjitai'' characters. Only a small number of hanja characters are modified or unique to Korean. By contrast, many of the Chinese characters currently in use in Japan (''kanji'') and Mainland China have been simplified, and contain fewer strokes than the corresponding hanja characters.

*[[Hanja (article)]]

==Hanja Lessons==
*[[Important 한자]]
*[[Important 한자 2]]
*[[Important 한자 3]]
*[[Cheonjamun]] "Thousand Character Classic"
*[[Writing Hanja]]

*Beginners 한자
*Intermediate 한자
*Advanced 한자

==Hanja By Level ==
With English interpretation of Korean meanings, and supplemental meanings. (needs to be reformatted)
*[[Level 8]] 51 baby hanja, learned in first grade.
*[[Level 7]] 102 elementary school
*[[Level 6]] 142 elementary school
*[[Level 5]] 184 elementary school
*[[Level 4I]] 313 getting harder
*[[Level 4II]] 232 getting harder
*[[Level 3II]] 357 middle/high school
*[[Level 3I]] 414 middle/high school
*[[Level 2]] 539 college, scholarly
*[[Level 1]] 1151 college, scholarly++
*[[Level 0]] 4000+ off the test

==Hanja characters==
*[[:Category:Chinese_Roots|Find by Korean character]]
*[[:Category:Hanja|Find by Chinese character]]

==Misc==
*Common Hanja used in names

==FAQ==
===What is the point in learning Hanja?===
A great deal of Korean words are made up of hanja. Learning the hanja will allow you to memorize the words faster. It's like knowing Latin root words in English. Knowing the root of a word can help you understand its meaning and remember it later. This will also serve you well in other countries. If your visual memory is strong, the hanja you learn in Korea can be found (with some differences) in Japan, China and Taiwan. Thus even a limited grasp of hanja is useful when traveling in Asia. For example, numbers for dates, times and prices.

There are also a lot of hanja the average person is expected to know, for example man (男) and woman (女), so a door might be labeled with the hanja characters on a rest room door. This would be a good time to know hanja so you don't walk into the wrong bathroom! For real life images of hanja in use, see: [[:Category:Hanja images]]

===Does every Hanja character have only one sound representation?===
No, some Hanja characters have more than one representation.

In some cases the pronunciation depends on where it appears in a word. For example the character [[年]](year) is pronounced as 연 if it appears at the beginning of the word, and 년 if it appears elsewhere. See the table below


{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Character !! Korean representation !! Notes !! Examples
|-
|年 (year) ||연, 년 || Pronounced 연 at the beginning of a word, 년 elsewhere
|
*연초 <年初> - the beginning of the year
*연말 <年末> - the end of the year
*작년 <昨年> - last year
*내년 <來年> - next year
|-
|立 (stand, establish )||입, 립 || Pronounced 입 at the beginning of a word, 립 elsewhere
|
*입식 <立式> -
*독립 <獨立> - independence
*조립 <組立> - construction, set-up

|-
|女 (girl, woman)||여, 녀 || Pronounced 여 at the beginning of a word, 녀 elsewhere
|
*여자 <女子> - woman, female
*여학생 <女學生> - a female student
*소녀 <少女> - a young girl
*미녀 <美女> - a beautiful girl
|-
|不 (negation) ||불, 부 || No rule, some words just use one or the other
|
*부정 <不正> - unlawfulness, dishonesty
*부득이 <不得已> - unavoidably, inevitably
*불편 <不便> - discomfort
*불가능 < 不可能 > - impossibility
|}


===How do I find a certain character in a dictionary?===
Depending on dictionary, there are a number of ways to look up a character in a dictionary, especially electric ones. They can sometimes be found in the 국어(Language) menu.
 

'''Normal look up (한글->한자)'''
 
Probably the easiest way to find one in daily use in Korea. This type of look up is for Sino-Korean vocabulary (words of Chinese origin). For example, to see which characters make up the word 무한 (無限), just type in the words as you would in a normal Korean vocabulary look up and the characters should appear next to the Korean word. Some electric dictionaries will have separate look up, one for normal Korean usage, and one that will break down each character and will give meanings for each character.
 

'''By Pronunciation/음 (한글->한자)'''
 
Type in the pronunciation, for example 무, and anywhere from 10 to 60 different characters will be shown that has that pronunciation. Although a clear demonstration as to the need for Hanja for clarification, this is a fairly tedious way to find characters.
 

'''By Stroke/획수 (한자->한글)'''
 
For many simple characters and beginners, it is easiest to count the number of strokes and putting that number in. "총획수" indicates that the number of strokes you put in is the number of strokes for the entire character.
 

'''By Radical/부수 (한자->한글)'''
 
For more complex characters and those familiar with Hanja, it is easiest to look up by number of strokes in the radical (부수획수). Correctly identify the number of strokes in the radical and type that in. Then type the number of strokes in the rest of the character (잔여획수).

===In what order are the strokes for a character?===

===How do I type a Hanja character?===