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Joesp: /* vocabulary from ezcorean */

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vocabulary from ezcorean

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	:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)		:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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	~~== vocabulary from ezcorean ==~~

	Users at my site have found my list of the 6,000 most popular Korean vocabulary words very helpful. The list can be browsed at http://ezcorean.com/korean_vocabulary/common_korean_vocabulary . Well, the data has 3 levels (beg., interm., adv.) and then (nouns, verbs, adj., adverbs, etc.) so there is 3 x 10 set ... you can order from either end, I suppose, then break down into the categories of the other side.
	~~Can you tell me how I can work it into your site? I can do all the heavy lifting, but I will need to have my hand held (provide guidance?) about how to get started.~~

	~~Or, so that it doesn't disappear, I could just upload the data sets from http://ezcorean.com/downloads/ so that other people can use them in their apps.~~

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 == vocabulary from ezcorean ==
-Users at my site have found my list of the 6,000 most popular Korean vocabulary words very helpful. The list is at  http://ezcorean.com/korean_vocabulary/common_korean_vocabulary or there are various formats at http://ezcorean.com/downloads/
+Users at my site have found my list of the 6,000 most popular Korean vocabulary words very helpful. The list can be browsed at http://ezcorean.com/korean_vocabulary/common_korean_vocabulary . Well, the data has 3 levels (beg., interm., adv.) and then (nouns, verbs, adj., adverbs, etc.) so there is 3 x 10 set ... you can order from either end, I suppose, then break down into the categories of the other side.
-It goes like:
+Or, so that it doesn't disappear, I could just upload the data sets from http://ezcorean.com/downloads/ so that other people can use them in their apps.

Joesp: /* vocabulary from ezcorean */ new section

2011-10-24T15:38:46Z

vocabulary from ezcorean: new section

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	:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)		:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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			== vocabulary from ezcorean ==

			Users at my site have found my list of the 6,000 most popular Korean vocabulary words very helpful. The list is at http://ezcorean.com/korean_vocabulary/common_korean_vocabulary or there are various formats at http://ezcorean.com/downloads/

			It goes like:

			1. beginner
			# nouns

			* level A (477)
			* level B (1163)
			* level C (1672)

			# verbs

			* level A (139)
			* level B (461)
			* level C (639)

			# adverbs

			* level A (58)
			* level B (132)
			* level C (170)

			# adjectives

			* level A (68)
			* level B (124)
			* level C (160)

			# counters

			* level A (30)
			* level B (39)
			* level C (47)

			# interjections

			* level A (22)
			* level B (18)
			* level C (23)

			# locations

			* level A (5)
			* level B (9)
			* level C (4)

			# pronouns

			* level A (30)
			* level B (5)
			* level C (8)

			# numbers

			* level A (40)
			* level B (2)
			* level C

			# showing emotion

			2. intermediate
			3. advanced

			Is there any way I can move all this over here? I am in the process of shutting down ezcorean.com. There are 11,876 entries so probably like 18,000 examples I have collected over the years. I don't know if they can also be integrated, or if you would want them, because I copied them from about 150 different books (I can tell you which ones, but there are still copyright issues). I of course want to help move the stuff over here. Can you direct me as to how I can work it into your site, please ?

Joesp: /* dictionary project? */

2011-10-24T15:32:49Z

dictionary project?

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	:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)		:<font color=blue>Honestly I don't see you're concerned about, people every day have found it useful (read some comments on other sites) as well as providing information in a unique way others don't. In fact, you've used information from our site and put it on your site did you not? Therefore even as a person who already runs a site, you found it useful enough to put it on your page. While you claim your intentions are good, to be frank it seems like your current comments and past comments as well seem like you want the project to desist and instead add the content to your site. That's just how it feels sometimes. --[[User:DigitalSoju\|DigitalSoju]] 00:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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	::<font color=red>Well, I have been fighting sarcoma (rare, soft-tissue cancer) for almost 2 years now. They took out my left chest, including my lung and pericardium and pleura and diaphragm 14 months ago, and now the tumors are back again on my heart, that one is 4 cm in size (or 9, depending on who measures it), and more cancer all over my right lung. I'm not going to stay alive more than a few months. That's why I've moved my site off the linux computer in my house, and onto a remote server, because basically I'm gonna be dead in a few months. I have done so much work on my site, I am just trying to help. You might think I'm trying to kill your project, but actually it's the reverse. The only self-interest I have is using the dictionary I have made and my experience doing what you're trying to do for the last fricking 5 years of my time in Korea to educate others. I really don't understand why in return you would just criticize me and tell me that you can't even find the results for 창문 and that there is no link so that if you click a hanja to get taken to that page and other such stuff which really just shows that somebody over here has difficulty reading both my search results and what I say here. Geez, it's frustrating. I'm just trying to help. If you want to input 70,000 words into your site by hand, why don't you do that. I'll be dead and won't care anyways, and you'll be happy because I can disappear without you even having to ban me. Way I see it, I have 2 months to live and it's already been a month and a half, but you know I did start chemo again, and there might be a miracle, but don't hold your breath. I'm a Buddhist and he don't do miracles. If you don't believe me, just read my health blog: http://blog.sirfsup.com/~jcs/us/</font>

	::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>
	~~::<font color=red>Perhaps the only problem here is an age gap. I'm 39. 39 year olds don't usually make emotional responses without a reason.</font>~~
	~~::<font color=red>goodnight</font>~~

DigitalSoju at 13:17, 6 March 2010

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			==Future sections==
			Some ideas before making pages

			===Relationships===
			*Best friend, good friend, friend, acquaintance / someone I know
			*coworker
			*school related: classmate, 선배, 후배 (etc)
			*bf/gf, lover, ex bf/gf
			*roommate

			====verbs====
			*positive: like, love, adore, worship , respect (add more), look up to, admire,
			*negative: dislike, hate, can't stand, loathe, don't respect, look down on, despise
			*turned on, turned off (깬다)
			*Flirt, get hit on




	I think it would be helpful to develop a template for use on all vocabulary pages that lists vocabulary in a table so that the lists are easier to read. A possible table format might be:		I think it would be helpful to develop a template for use on all vocabulary pages that lists vocabulary in a table so that the lists are easier to read. A possible table format might be:

Joesp: /* dictionary project? */

2010-03-05T13:36:44Z

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	::<font color=red>You can if you click the hanja, for example, if you click 雪 you will be taken to the page for 雪. For one of the two posts, it's true, there is no link. I could run the script again to create links for all the words that show up in the examples, not just for half of them, but I don't have the time for that these days.</font>		::<font color=red>You can if you click the hanja, for example, if you click 雪 you will be taken to the page for 雪. For one of the two posts, it's true, there is no link. I could run the script again to create links for all the words that show up in the examples, not just for half of them, but I don't have the time for that these days.</font>
	:<font color=blue>Our new template here will be able to support more info and show real life pictures showing the 한자 characters in use. After all, if you see it with your own eyes, you tend to trust it more right? By searching our site, it'll list all pages that contain that character, which I think is more effective to give the user the choice of where he wants to go. When the user searches 창문, is he more interested in the character for [[窓]] or for [[門]]? Also does your search result combine results for 串 for example? Which can be 곶, 관, 천, or 찬.</font>		:<font color=blue>Our new template here will be able to support more info and show real life pictures showing the 한자 characters in use. After all, if you see it with your own eyes, you tend to trust it more right? By searching our site, it'll list all pages that contain that character, which I think is more effective to give the user the choice of where he wants to go. When the user searches 창문, is he more interested in the character for [[窓]] or for [[門]]? Also does your search result combine results for 串 for example? Which can be 곶, 관, 천, or 찬.</font>
	::<font color=red>no, it won't. I haven't taken the time to do that</font>		::<font color=red>no, it won't. I haven't taken the time to do that. And, I never will either.</font>
	:<font color=blue> You say "that is the problem with kwp site", but honestly I see no problem at all. The pages already display examples, on top of that you can see where else they appear on the site, in particular a vocabulary page for a topic. Where's the problem in that?</font>		:<font color=blue> You say "that is the problem with kwp site", but honestly I see no problem at all. The pages already display examples, on top of that you can see where else they appear on the site, in particular a vocabulary page for a topic. Where's the problem in that?</font>
	::<font color=red>I applaud your pictures. I applaud it showing the hanja like that in the search results, and also the category showing up. My point was, when I search for 창문 it's not there. I think it's great what you have so far, I am just pointing out that at some point you will have to figure out a way to have 창문 come up from somewhere, I don't know if it'll be from hanja or from grammar or from vocabulary, but it should come up from <b>just one place</b>. More on that below. I can see you missed my point and we are bogged down in details here.</font>		::<font color=red>I applaud your pictures. I applaud it showing the hanja like that in the search results, and also the category showing up. My point was, when I search for 창문 it's not there. I think it's great what you have so far, I am just pointing out that at some point you will have to figure out a way to have 창문 come up from somewhere, I don't know if it'll be from hanja or from grammar or from vocabulary, but it should come up from <b>just one place</b>. More on that below. I can see you missed my point and we are bogged down in details here.</font>

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	:<font color=brown>This lovely brown color is Galinaros. Hullo. With much of what DigitalSoju already covered I agree--though, that is not to say that I am wholly on his side in every way. Those differences are trivial. More importantly, I am curious about your criticism of such efforts as the Wikitionary project, projects through which there is provided the fundamental support and basic understanding of the specific material in question. Keep in mind that these both--Wiktionary, for example, and KWP--are Wikis, and that they are not aimed specifically at giving you an "interactive" experience, but rather informing you about the meaning of a specific term you search. (This term can vary greatly, being things such as a simple word to a full grammar detail.) This being said, I come to wonder over your expectations of these consolidations. Do you expect a textbook walk-through? or something similar? Assuredly, from a Wiki in its infancy you should not. However, this is not to say that Wikis are bound without the abilities of their contributors. I must say that I am quite pleased with the effort already poured into the Hangeul learning project, and I greatly encourage more advances such as this in the future. These supplements are simply perfect for an under-documented language such as Korean. For Wikis like Wiktionary, however, there is already plenty of material online elsewhere for reinforcement. Why would you need "interactive materials" there?		:<font color=brown>This lovely brown color is Galinaros. Hullo. With much of what DigitalSoju already covered I agree--though, that is not to say that I am wholly on his side in every way. Those differences are trivial. More importantly, I am curious about your criticism of such efforts as the Wikitionary project, projects through which there is provided the fundamental support and basic understanding of the specific material in question. Keep in mind that these both--Wiktionary, for example, and KWP--are Wikis, and that they are not aimed specifically at giving you an "interactive" experience, but rather informing you about the meaning of a specific term you search. (This term can vary greatly, being things such as a simple word to a full grammar detail.) This being said, I come to wonder over your expectations of these consolidations. Do you expect a textbook walk-through? or something similar? Assuredly, from a Wiki in its infancy you should not. However, this is not to say that Wikis are bound without the abilities of their contributors. I must say that I am quite pleased with the effort already poured into the Hangeul learning project, and I greatly encourage more advances such as this in the future. These supplements are simply perfect for an under-documented language such as Korean. For Wikis like Wiktionary, however, there is already plenty of material online elsewhere for reinforcement. Why would you need "interactive materials" there?
	:I want you to ask yourself for what you are looking from this Wiki. If you have anything to add, feel free to do so. Thanks, and good night! --[[User:Galinaros\|Galinaros]] 05:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)</font>		:I want you to ask yourself for what you are looking from this Wiki. If you have anything to add, feel free to do so. Thanks, and good night! --[[User:Galinaros\|Galinaros]] 05:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)</font>

			::<font color=red>the benefit of the doubt, that's what I wanted.</font>

	I confess that I am worried about the future of koreanwikiproject being useful to users, and secondly, that the information is unorganized on the backend, and that the editors are creating duplicating work within the koreanwikiproject system itself.		I confess that I am worried about the future of koreanwikiproject being useful to users, and secondly, that the information is unorganized on the backend, and that the editors are creating duplicating work within the koreanwikiproject system itself.

Joesp: /* dictionary project? */

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	::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>		::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>
	::<font color=red>Perhaps the only problem here is an age gap. I'm 39.		::<font color=red>Perhaps the only problem here is an age gap. I'm 39. 39 year olds don't usually make emotional responses without a reason.</font>
	::<font color=red>goodnight</font>		::<font color=red>goodnight</font>

Joesp: /* dictionary project? */

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	::<font color=red>Well, I have been fighting sarcoma (rare, soft-tissue cancer) for almost 2 years now. They took out my left chest, including my lung and pericardium and pleura and diaphragm 14 months ago, and now the tumors are back again on my heart, that one is 4 cm in size (or 9, depending on who measures it), and more cancer all over my right lung. I'm not going to stay alive more than a few months. That's why I've moved my site off the linux computer in my house, and onto a remote server, because basically I'm gonna be dead in a few months. I have done so much work on my site, I am just trying to help. You might think I'm trying to kill your project, but actually it's the reverse. The only self-interest I have is using the dictionary I have made and my experience doing what you're trying to do for the last fricking 5 years of my time in Korea to educate others. I really don't understand why in return you would just criticize me and tell me that you can't even find the results for 창문 and that there is no link so that if you click a hanja to get taken to that page and other such stuff which really just shows that somebody over here has difficulty reading both my search results and what I say here. Geez, it's frustrating. I'm just trying to help. If you want to input 70,000 words into your site by hand, why don't you do that. I'll be dead and won't care anyways, and you'll be happy because I can disappear without you even having to ban me. Way I see it, I have 2 months to live and it's already been a month and a half, but you know I did start chemo again, and there might be a miracle, but don't hold your breath. I'm a Buddhist and he don't do miracles. If you don't believe me, just read my health blog: http://blog.sirfsup.com/~jcs/us/</font>		::<font color=red>Well, I have been fighting sarcoma (rare, soft-tissue cancer) for almost 2 years now. They took out my left chest, including my lung and pericardium and pleura and diaphragm 14 months ago, and now the tumors are back again on my heart, that one is 4 cm in size (or 9, depending on who measures it), and more cancer all over my right lung. I'm not going to stay alive more than a few months. That's why I've moved my site off the linux computer in my house, and onto a remote server, because basically I'm gonna be dead in a few months. I have done so much work on my site, I am just trying to help. You might think I'm trying to kill your project, but actually it's the reverse. The only self-interest I have is using the dictionary I have made and my experience doing what you're trying to do for the last fricking 5 years of my time in Korea to educate others. I really don't understand why in return you would just criticize me and tell me that you can't even find the results for 창문 and that there is no link so that if you click a hanja to get taken to that page and other such stuff which really just shows that somebody over here has difficulty reading both my search results and what I say here. Geez, it's frustrating. I'm just trying to help. If you want to input 70,000 words into your site by hand, why don't you do that. I'll be dead and won't care anyways, and you'll be happy because I can disappear without you even having to ban me. Way I see it, I have 2 months to live and it's already been a month and a half, but you know I did start chemo again, and there might be a miracle, but don't hold your breath. I'm a Buddhist and he don't do miracles. If you don't believe me, just read my health blog: http://blog.sirfsup.com/~jcs/us/</font>

	::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>		::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>
			::<font color=red>Perhaps the only problem here is an age gap. I'm 39.
	::<font color=red>goodnight</font>		::<font color=red>goodnight</font>

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	::<font color=red>Well, I have been fighting sarcoma (rare, soft-tissue cancer) for almost 2 years now. They took out my left chest, including my lung and pericardium and pleura and diaphragm 14 months ago, and now the tumors are back again on my heart, that one is 4 cm in size (or 9, depending on who measures it), and more cancer all over my right lung. I'm not going to stay alive more than a few months. That's why I've moved my site off the linux computer in my house, and onto a remote server, because basically I'm gonna be dead in a few months. I have done so much work on my site, I am just trying to help. You might think I'm trying to kill your project, but actually it's the reverse. The only self-interest I have is using the dictionary I have made and my experience doing what you're trying to do for the last fricking 5 years of my time in Korea to educate others. I really don't understand why in return you would just criticize me and tell me that you can't even find the results for 창문 and that there is no link so that if you click a hanja to get taken to that page and other such stuff which really just shows that somebody over here has difficulty reading both my search results and what I say here. Geez, it's frustrating. I'm just trying to help. If you want to input 70,000 words into your site by hand, why don't you do that. I'll be dead and won't care anyways, and you'll be happy because I can disappear without you even having to ban me. Way I see it, I have 2 months to live and it's already been a month and a half, but you know I did start chemo again, and there might be a miracle, but don't hold your breath. I'm a Buddhist and he don't do miracles. If you don't believe me, just read my health blog: http://blog.sirfsup.com/~jcs/us/</font>		::<font color=red>Well, I have been fighting sarcoma (rare, soft-tissue cancer) for almost 2 years now. They took out my left chest, including my lung and pericardium and pleura and diaphragm 14 months ago, and now the tumors are back again on my heart, that one is 4 cm in size (or 9, depending on who measures it), and more cancer all over my right lung. I'm not going to stay alive more than a few months. That's why I've moved my site off the linux computer in my house, and onto a remote server, because basically I'm gonna be dead in a few months. I have done so much work on my site, I am just trying to help. You might think I'm trying to kill your project, but actually it's the reverse. The only self-interest I have is using the dictionary I have made and my experience doing what you're trying to do for the last fricking 5 years of my time in Korea to educate others. I really don't understand why in return you would just criticize me and tell me that you can't even find the results for 창문 and that there is no link so that if you click a hanja to get taken to that page and other such stuff which really just shows that somebody over here has difficulty reading both my search results and what I say here. Geez, it's frustrating. I'm just trying to help. If you want to input 70,000 words into your site by hand, why don't you do that. I'll be dead and won't care anyways, and you'll be happy because I can disappear without you even having to ban me. Way I see it, I have 2 months to live and it's already been a month and a half, but you know I did start chemo again, and there might be a miracle, but don't hold your breath. I'm a Buddhist and he don't do miracles. If you don't believe me, just read my health blog: http://blog.sirfsup.com/~jcs/us/</font>
			::<font color=red>In conclusion, seeing you attack me personally as well as misconstruing my words is simply sad. I would be surprised if I'm not just pointing out the obvious thing that's lacking here. If you can't take positive criticism, that would be sad and I would have no choice but to stop caring about what you are doing. It is just making me so sad.</font>
			::<font color=red>goodnight</font>