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Just upgraded it and still having some problems,
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*first one of the extensions still doesn't work with the user profiles.
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::Ok I did a fresh install leaving only a few folders not deleted and that seemed to work for whatever reason. The only problem that remains is some of the templates come out really wacky now. Perhaps they aren't saved in the sql? I have to add the extensions again and update the localsettings file, but this is a good start for now since it's atleast working. --[[User:Bluesoju|Bluesoju]] 17:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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::Just notice the edit tools aren't working. I'm not sure why all of this stuff is broken now, I can't imagine wikimedia making changes to software that would break a lot of things if it were on one of their own wikis. --[[User:Bluesoju|Bluesoju]] 23:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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*I've updated all the plugins to the latest code and have added all the plugins back into the settings which were there before.  Hopefully everything's fine.  --[[User:Mstrum|Mstrum]] 18:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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== Heavy concerns about the licencing policy ==
 
== Heavy concerns about the licencing policy ==
 
I'd suggest to change the licence under which the content is published. A licence that allows no derivative works is a contradiction in itself when used for a wiki. It actually means, that every entry, once it's created, is not allowed to be changed by anyone except for the author. So every contribution by any user must remain untouched under the licence you've chosen. This means, that using this website as a wiki is illegal, because you are infringing the rights of the other users when you edit their contributions.
 
I'd suggest to change the licence under which the content is published. A licence that allows no derivative works is a contradiction in itself when used for a wiki. It actually means, that every entry, once it's created, is not allowed to be changed by anyone except for the author. So every contribution by any user must remain untouched under the licence you've chosen. This means, that using this website as a wiki is illegal, because you are infringing the rights of the other users when you edit their contributions.
  
 
What would be the advantage of chosing a nd-licence anyway? To keep the content on your site? To prevent a fork to occur?
 
What would be the advantage of chosing a nd-licence anyway? To keep the content on your site? To prevent a fork to occur?
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I think, it merely hinders the creative process and the distribution of information. Why shouldn't one be allowed to compile data from this site in a nice pdf-file? Why shouldn't one be allowed to record example-sentences or make a podcast under a at-nc-licence? There are so many useful ways to use the information of the korean wiki project, why would one want to cross these possibilites out?
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I think, it merely hinders the creative process and the distribution of information. Why shouldn't one be allowed to compile data from this site into a nice pdf-file? Why shouldn't one be allowed to record example-sentences or make a podcast under a at-nc-licence? There are so many useful ways to use the information of the korean wiki project, why would one want to cross these possibilites out?
 
[[User:Futureboy|Futureboy]] 03:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 
[[User:Futureboy|Futureboy]] 03:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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:Thanks for voicing your opinion. Matt and I have talked about exactly how to deal with the copyright of this site. When I first started this site I simply chose the current license, but it doesn't mean this is the permanent license. Some concerns I have are about websites that charge people to learn Korean using our free content and making people pay. I also don't want someone in the future putting our explanations and articles into a book and making money off of us. Another thing is I just don't want people ripping off our work and not crediting us. I admit I'm new to this so I don't know much about the copyright issues, so perhaps you could suggest a better license to meet the criteria I've mentioned. --[[User:Bluesoju|Bluesoju]] 03:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Thanks for your immediate reply. I seems, that you don't want people to make money with the contributions of volunteers and that you want them to be credited. That's exactly what the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial Licence is made for, which should be extended with the Share Alike option, so that all derivative works are under the same licence. If somebody is using content under such a licence for commercial purposes or uses it without mentioning the authorship, you can file a lawsuit agaist this person. The licence I would recommend for this project is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
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::The problem with changing the licence later on is, that you have to ask all the authors for their agreement. They contributed to this site under a certain licence, and they are the only ones who can relicence the work. You as the administrator of this site can't do it, because you don't own the content. So it's advisable to make a licence change while the project is still small.[[User:Futureboy|Futureboy]] 06:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Thanks for your advice, I'll look into changing it as soon as possible (gotta find out how first). Since the project is still small, please let us know if you have any other suggestions. If your interested in being a sysop as well, let me know. Thanks for your help and hope to see further contributions and suggestions from you. --[[User:Bluesoju|Bluesoju]] 06:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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This website explains Korean grammar patterns, idioms, slang, along with practical vocabulary words organized by subject.  This site will also thoroughly teach you how to read and write Hangeul (한글), the Korean script, with many examples and even advanced consonant assimilation rules. The site was originally intended to explain everything in English, however as the majority of Korean language students these days are Japanese and Chinese, we encourage users to provide translations in both languages respectively.
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As with all good wikis, we need a number of good contributors, both non-native and native speakers alike. Non-native speakers, especially those who have taken Korean classes and own various textbooks, shouldn't shy away from contributing.  By contributing, you can help cement concepts in your mind. However, with non-native speakers contributing, not all examples and sentences will come out correctly. There are always sentences that seem good, but still sound awkward to native speakers. This is where having native speakers contributing would be extremely helpful. If you want to start contributing now, please [[Special:UserLogin|create an account]]. After creating an account, please visit the [[Getting started|getting started]] guide for more helpful information. The more people contributing, the more we can get done, which means more accurate and thorough information about the Korean language available to everyone.
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You don't have to be a grammar guru or an expert to contribute. If you have other ways to contribute, then by all means please do so.
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*We are looking for photographers, especially those with high quality cameras, to take any pictures related to Korea, especially if it shows Chinese characters in use and things for the [[:Category:Vocabulary|vocabulary]] page.
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*Have a digital recorder? Please record anything related to Korean, i.e. subway announcements and upload them here!
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*Audio editing specialist who can cut out background noise on records or can enhance them in anyway.
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*Graphic designers, 3D modelers and regular artists.
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*We also need some experienced wiki users with help modifying this wiki. Have an idea? Please post it on the [[brainstorm]] page.
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Anyone who has studied Korean as a second language knows it’s hard to find a book that is both accurate and easy to read. On top of that, most books don’t provide thorough details on grammar usage and don’t describe the feeling certain grammar and words give. Even the best dictionaries provide no insight into whether the word is mostly used by females, if it’s inappropriate to use with strangers and if the word sounds too formal to use on most occasions. These are often learned in intensive language institutes and through immersing yourself in Korean, where using the wrong word might’ve made a few people laugh at your expense.
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For students studying at a language institute, the standard text book might not provide enough explanations, examples or have numerous bad translations. So these students often rely on other textbooks (which have their own problems as well) and end up looking through several textbooks. When it’s time to study, no student wants to carry around several textbooks and hunt for the same grammar pattern in each one. Additionally, there will be things the student learns in class that aren’t provided in any of their textbooks.
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With a wiki, people who have already figured out accurate translations for Korean grammar patterns can give their own 2 cents on current articles, as well as create their own articles. Telling the textbook it’s wrong isn’t going to change anything, whereas in a wiki if you see something wrong you can fix it yourself and add your own insight. Furthermore no one wants to carry around several text books and pages of notes and go searching through them; it’s much easier to pull up an article on this wiki, not to mention it can be accessed anywhere, anytime. For more information, see [[Korean_Wiki_Project:About|about Korean Wiki Project]].
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As with all good wikis, we need a number of good contributors, both non-native and native speakers alike. Non-native speakers, especially those who have taken Korean classes and own various textbooks, shouldn't shy away from contributing.  By contributing, you can help cement concepts in your mind. However, with non-native speakers contributing, not all examples and sentences will come out correctly. There are always sentences that seem good, but still sound awkward to native speakers. This is where having native speakers contributing would be extremely helpful. If you want to start contributing now, please [[Special:UserLogin|create an account]]. After creating an account, please visit the [[Getting started|getting started]] guide for more helpful information. The more people contributing, the more we can get done, which means more accurate and thorough information about the Korean language available to everyone.
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You don't have to be a grammar guru or an expert to contribute. If you have other ways to contribute, then by all means please do so.
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*We are looking for photographers, especially those with high quality cameras, to take any pictures related to Korea, especially if it shows Chinese characters in use and things for the [[:Category:Vocabulary|vocabulary]] page.
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*Have a digital recorder? Please record anything related to Korean, i.e. subway announcements and upload them here!
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*Audio editing specialist who can cut out background noise on records or can enhance them in anyway.
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*Graphic designers, 3D modelers and regular artists.
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*We also need some experienced wiki users with help modifying this wiki. Have an idea? Please post it on the [[brainstorm]] page.
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==Another redesign==
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This is just a little brainstorming I did regarding the new front page. You are welcome to edit what I have listed. In the even that you do change anything, remove all of my "I find" and "I believe"s to denote that it is not only my opinion, and also sign your name when you are done.
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Right now the Main Page looks much like the community portal page, except with a few things left out and a large amount of rewording. Let's change it away from a massive contributing advertisement (while still doing so, of course) and focus more on promoting the material found within the Wiki.
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'''Current outline of things found below ''(in the new design)'':'''
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**How to use this Wiki
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***Understanding the format of this Wiki (i.e., how the 한자 pages are organized)
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The Korean Wiki Project is a collaborative effort to unify knowledge on the Korean language and to make the information easily accessible and relevant to anyone. First, this site is under major construction. A lot of the articles are incomplete and have been created for future editing. One of the goals of this project is to provide the most accurate, in depth information and accurate translations for Korean grammar patterns and vocabulary words where other dictionaries and books fail. Another goal is to make all information on here simple and easy to understand. As more people contribute to this project, the information becomes more accurate and better explained. For more information on this project, see the [http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/about/ about] section.
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First thing, do you see random boxes and gibberish or Korean characters: "안녕하세요?" If you see gibberish, you need to install Korean characters. (link)
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*If you are using an old browser such as internet explorer 6, please upgrade! Not only are you using a browser thats 9 years old, but one that's unsafe. The internet has changed a lot in 9 years, look into download the latest versions of Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera or the latest version of Internet Explorer. Without a new browser, this site cannot be displayed properly! See the difference here. (Perhaps needs a browser sniffer here if possible)
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*In order to contribute to this wiki, you need to be able to type in Korean in most cases. For instructions on how to install Korean language input, click [[Help:Installing_Korean|here]]
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;[[Contributing]]
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: There are many ways to contribute, for basics ways on how you can contribute to this wiki, see the [[contributing]] page.
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: The [[:Category:Vocabulary|vocabulary]] pages always need expanding or editing.
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: [[:Category:Stubs|Stubs]] are articles that are incomplete and need some work. If there's anything you can do to add more to or even finish the article, then by all means please do so.
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Important tasks. If you can, please contribute to these articles in any way possible.
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: The grammar pages could always use more detailed or clear explanations. In fact many of the grammar patterns still need to be defined or need examples. If you are a native speaker, please add sentence examples.
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: We need sentence examples for grammar pages, slang pages, proverb pages (etc). If you are a native speaker, please visit the [[:Category:Incomplete examples|incomplete examples]] category to see which pages still need more sentence examples.
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Just upgraded it and still having some problems,

  • first one of the extensions still doesn't work with the user profiles.
  • recent changes gives an sql error
  • history on pages gives an sql error
Ok I did a fresh install leaving only a few folders not deleted and that seemed to work for whatever reason. The only problem that remains is some of the templates come out really wacky now. Perhaps they aren't saved in the sql? I have to add the extensions again and update the localsettings file, but this is a good start for now since it's atleast working. --Bluesoju 17:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Just notice the edit tools aren't working. I'm not sure why all of this stuff is broken now, I can't imagine wikimedia making changes to software that would break a lot of things if it were on one of their own wikis. --Bluesoju 23:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I've updated all the plugins to the latest code and have added all the plugins back into the settings which were there before. Hopefully everything's fine. --Mstrum 18:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Heavy concerns about the licencing policy

I'd suggest to change the licence under which the content is published. A licence that allows no derivative works is a contradiction in itself when used for a wiki. It actually means, that every entry, once it's created, is not allowed to be changed by anyone except for the author. So every contribution by any user must remain untouched under the licence you've chosen. This means, that using this website as a wiki is illegal, because you are infringing the rights of the other users when you edit their contributions.

What would be the advantage of chosing a nd-licence anyway? To keep the content on your site? To prevent a fork to occur? I think, it merely hinders the creative process and the distribution of information. Why shouldn't one be allowed to compile data from this site into a nice pdf-file? Why shouldn't one be allowed to record example-sentences or make a podcast under a at-nc-licence? There are so many useful ways to use the information of the korean wiki project, why would one want to cross these possibilites out? Futureboy 03:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for voicing your opinion. Matt and I have talked about exactly how to deal with the copyright of this site. When I first started this site I simply chose the current license, but it doesn't mean this is the permanent license. Some concerns I have are about websites that charge people to learn Korean using our free content and making people pay. I also don't want someone in the future putting our explanations and articles into a book and making money off of us. Another thing is I just don't want people ripping off our work and not crediting us. I admit I'm new to this so I don't know much about the copyright issues, so perhaps you could suggest a better license to meet the criteria I've mentioned. --Bluesoju 03:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your immediate reply. I seems, that you don't want people to make money with the contributions of volunteers and that you want them to be credited. That's exactly what the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial Licence is made for, which should be extended with the Share Alike option, so that all derivative works are under the same licence. If somebody is using content under such a licence for commercial purposes or uses it without mentioning the authorship, you can file a lawsuit agaist this person. The licence I would recommend for this project is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
The problem with changing the licence later on is, that you have to ask all the authors for their agreement. They contributed to this site under a certain licence, and they are the only ones who can relicence the work. You as the administrator of this site can't do it, because you don't own the content. So it's advisable to make a licence change while the project is still small.Futureboy 06:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice, I'll look into changing it as soon as possible (gotta find out how first). Since the project is still small, please let us know if you have any other suggestions. If your interested in being a sysop as well, let me know. Thanks for your help and hope to see further contributions and suggestions from you. --Bluesoju 06:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome

The Korean Wiki Project is a collaborative effort to unify knowledge on the Korean language and to make the information easily accessible and relevant to anyone. First, this site is under major construction. A lot of the articles are incomplete and have been created for future editing. The site hasn't been publicly released yet and won't be until a good amount of articles have been completed.

This website explains Korean grammar patterns, idioms, slang, along with practical vocabulary words organized by subject. This site will also thoroughly teach you how to read and write Hangeul (한글), the Korean script, with many examples and even advanced consonant assimilation rules. The site was originally intended to explain everything in English, however as the majority of Korean language students these days are Japanese and Chinese, we encourage users to provide translations in both languages respectively.

One of the goals of this project is to provide the most accurate, in depth information and accurate translations for Korean grammar patterns and vocabulary words where other dictionaries and books fail. Another goal is to make all information on here simple and easy to understand.

In order to make use of this wiki, your computer must first properly display Korean characters. If you see boxes, random characters or question marks, throughout this wiki instead of Korean characters, then your computer isn't properly displaying Korean characters. As a test, your browser should properly display the following:

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If you only see boxes, numbers, or questions marks in the white box above, please see the simple instructions on how to install Korean on our computer here

We Need Your Help

As with all good wikis, we need a number of good contributors, both non-native and native speakers alike. Non-native speakers, especially those who have taken Korean classes and own various textbooks, shouldn't shy away from contributing. By contributing, you can help cement concepts in your mind. However, with non-native speakers contributing, not all examples and sentences will come out correctly. There are always sentences that seem good, but still sound awkward to native speakers. This is where having native speakers contributing would be extremely helpful. If you want to start contributing now, please create an account. After creating an account, please visit the getting started guide for more helpful information. The more people contributing, the more we can get done, which means more accurate and thorough information about the Korean language available to everyone.

You don't have to be a grammar guru or an expert to contribute. If you have other ways to contribute, then by all means please do so.

  • We are looking for photographers, especially those with high quality cameras, to take any pictures related to Korea, especially if it shows Chinese characters in use and things for the vocabulary page.
  • Have a digital recorder? Please record anything related to Korean, i.e. subway announcements and upload them here!
  • Audio editing specialist who can cut out background noise on records or can enhance them in anyway.
  • Graphic designers, 3D modelers and regular artists.
  • We also need some experienced wiki users with help modifying this wiki. Have an idea? Please post it on the brainstorm page.
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Anyone who has studied Korean as a second language knows it’s hard to find a book that is both accurate and easy to read. On top of that, most books don’t provide thorough details on grammar usage and don’t describe the feeling certain grammar and words give. Even the best dictionaries provide no insight into whether the word is mostly used by females, if it’s inappropriate to use with strangers and if the word sounds too formal to use on most occasions. These are often learned in intensive language institutes and through immersing yourself in Korean, where using the wrong word might’ve made a few people laugh at your expense.

For students studying at a language institute, the standard text book might not provide enough explanations, examples or have numerous bad translations. So these students often rely on other textbooks (which have their own problems as well) and end up looking through several textbooks. When it’s time to study, no student wants to carry around several textbooks and hunt for the same grammar pattern in each one. Additionally, there will be things the student learns in class that aren’t provided in any of their textbooks.

With a wiki, people who have already figured out accurate translations for Korean grammar patterns can give their own 2 cents on current articles, as well as create their own articles. Telling the textbook it’s wrong isn’t going to change anything, whereas in a wiki if you see something wrong you can fix it yourself and add your own insight. Furthermore no one wants to carry around several text books and pages of notes and go searching through them; it’s much easier to pull up an article on this wiki, not to mention it can be accessed anywhere, anytime. For more information, see about Korean Wiki Project.

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If you're completely new to Korean, you should learn Hangeul, the Korean alphabet, first. You can also browse the articles in the basics section.

For more advanced users, select any of the main categories at the left side of the page to find a subject you are interested in studying.

If you are confused about how to exactly use this wiki, see the getting started section for more information.

Have an article creation or explanation request? Please make one here and we will try to prioritize it.

Samtaeguk.png We Need Your Help

As with all good wikis, we need a number of good contributors, both non-native and native speakers alike. Non-native speakers, especially those who have taken Korean classes and own various textbooks, shouldn't shy away from contributing. By contributing, you can help cement concepts in your mind. However, with non-native speakers contributing, not all examples and sentences will come out correctly. There are always sentences that seem good, but still sound awkward to native speakers. This is where having native speakers contributing would be extremely helpful. If you want to start contributing now, please create an account. After creating an account, please visit the getting started guide for more helpful information. The more people contributing, the more we can get done, which means more accurate and thorough information about the Korean language available to everyone.

You don't have to be a grammar guru or an expert to contribute. If you have other ways to contribute, then by all means please do so.

  • We are looking for photographers, especially those with high quality cameras, to take any pictures related to Korea, especially if it shows Chinese characters in use and things for the vocabulary page.
  • Have a digital recorder? Please record anything related to Korean, i.e. subway announcements and upload them here!
  • Audio editing specialist who can cut out background noise on records or can enhance them in anyway.
  • Graphic designers, 3D modelers and regular artists.
  • We also need some experienced wiki users with help modifying this wiki. Have an idea? Please post it on the brainstorm page.
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Another redesign

This is just a little brainstorming I did regarding the new front page. You are welcome to edit what I have listed. In the even that you do change anything, remove all of my "I find" and "I believe"s to denote that it is not only my opinion, and also sign your name when you are done.

Right now the Main Page looks much like the community portal page, except with a few things left out and a large amount of rewording. Let's change it away from a massive contributing advertisement (while still doing so, of course) and focus more on promoting the material found within the Wiki.

Current outline of things found below (in the new design):

  • News and announcements - links to the news page
  • Experts and Native Speakers - possible tasks for such people, all of which involve a form of contributing
  • Questions - questions posed to the Korean Wiki Project community (This should be kept on the community portal)
  • Leaderboard - Shows top contributors
  • General Tasks - A list of tasks for users wishing to take part in the content of the Wiki
    • Contributing
    • Vocabulary
    • Stubs
    • Photography
    • Media
    • To do
    • Brainstorm
  • Urgent Tasks
  • Requested Media

List of things I find pertinent:

  • News and announcements
  • Link to Community Portal along with an advertisement of a brief list of things on that page
  • Urgent Tasks - if these are truly urgent, why not bring attention to them?

Things that I believe should be added:

  • An improved featured articles page
  • Getting started
    • New to Korean? - Link to a miniature "guide" on things concerning absolute beginners, starting first with an introduction to what type of language Korean is and a very brief history.
    • How to use this Wiki
      • Contributing - Briefly mention community portal (seeing as it has so many things regarding contributing)
      • Understanding the format of this Wiki (i.e., how the 한자 pages are organized)
      • Reading the Wiki - Key things like understanding the syntax and proper display of Hangeul, much like that which is found on: Getting started; could just link to it.
  • Link to a forum if one will exist in the future
  • Mission/goal statement
  • (more to be added)



Welcome to the Korean Wiki Project

Newspaper icon.pngWelcome

The Korean Wiki Project is a collaborative effort to unify knowledge on the Korean language and to make the information easily accessible and relevant to anyone. First, this site is under major construction. A lot of the articles are incomplete and have been created for future editing. One of the goals of this project is to provide the most accurate, in depth information and accurate translations for Korean grammar patterns and vocabulary words where other dictionaries and books fail. Another goal is to make all information on here simple and easy to understand. As more people contribute to this project, the information becomes more accurate and better explained. For more information on this project, see the about section.


Question orange.pngGetting Started

First thing, do you see random boxes and gibberish or Korean characters: "안녕하세요?" If you see gibberish, you need to install Korean characters. (link)

  • If you are using an old browser such as internet explorer 6, please upgrade! Not only are you using a browser thats 9 years old, but one that's unsafe. The internet has changed a lot in 9 years, look into download the latest versions of Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera or the latest version of Internet Explorer. Without a new browser, this site cannot be displayed properly! See the difference here. (Perhaps needs a browser sniffer here if possible)
  • In order to contribute to this wiki, you need to be able to type in Korean in most cases. For instructions on how to install Korean language input, click here
  • If you are not able to read the Korean script, then the first thing you should do is learn how to read it. Check the out Learn hangeul section.


Editing.pngGeneral Tasks
Contributing
There are many ways to contribute, for basics ways on how you can contribute to this wiki, see the contributing page.
Vocabulary
The vocabulary pages always need expanding or editing.
Stubs
Stubs are articles that are incomplete and need some work. If there's anything you can do to add more to or even finish the article, then by all means please do so.
Photography
If you have a digital camera and live in Korea, please snap pictures of signs, electronic equipment with Korean buttons, or anything that might have some use for learning Korean. For example pictures, see Help:Images and photos or Category:Images.
Media
Looking for a simple task? How about just adding lyrics to the latest Korean songs in the music section?
To do
Look through the tasks on the to do page to see if there's any task you can help with.
Brainstorm
Have any ideas for this project? Please add them to the brainstorm page.


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Important tasks. If you can, please contribute to these articles in any way possible.

Internet and text messaging
We need more work done on this page. Please add content to this page.
Sogang and Yonsei categories needed!
We already have categories up for grammar patterns that appear in the Seoul National University program in the grammar pattern section. However we need current and former Sogang and Yonsei students to categorize grammar patterns for their respective text books. For example, if you see a grammar pattern that appeared in the level 1 book of the Sogang program, add [[Category:Sogang Level 1 Grammar]] or if there is a grammar pattern in Yonsei's level 3 grammar add [[Category:Yonsei Level 3 Grammar]] to the bottom of the particular grammar page (and so on). As an example here are the categories for SNU:
Welcome template
Could someone please translate this into Korean as well? Just translate the basics and leave the links the same, I will fix the links.
Passive form
We need a more complete list of passive verbs.
Causative form
We need a more complete list of Causative verbs.
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Grammar
The grammar pages could always use more detailed or clear explanations. In fact many of the grammar patterns still need to be defined or need examples. If you are a native speaker, please add sentence examples.
Grammar comparison
Know the distinction between two grammars? Please explain the difference or add more details to an already written article.
Incomplete examples
We need sentence examples for grammar pages, slang pages, proverb pages (etc). If you are a native speaker, please visit the incomplete examples category to see which pages still need more sentence examples.
Hanja
Help complete our list of examples for individual Chinese roots or Hanja pages. Add examples, check for correct meanings or add new characters that haven't been added yet.
Slang and Proverbs
Please help organize and add new slang and proverbs.
Korean translation needed!
These pages need to have a Korean version, if possible please translate the English and make a Korean version.
Articles
Add or edit articles about Korean culture or living in Korean in this section.
Visit a random page
Visit a random page and see if you can spot and typos, errors, inaccuracies or if there is anything you can add to the article.
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